I suddenly want to be a Lubavitcher
Does anyone else hold of 6.5 degrees for Motzi Shabbos? I know a fellow who keeps Lubavitch minhagim, who insists that tzeis is 6.5 degrees, not 8.5 degrees. But most sources I see claim 8.5 - discussions on Avodah, etc.However, the zmanim calculator on 770live.com, which you'd expect follows Chabad minhagim, says tzeis is 6.5 degrees, and Motzoei Shabbat is 8.5 degrees.http://770live.com/En770/zmanim/zmanim.htm
interesting. i can chime in that i don't know, and am not really up on all these calculations...kt,josh
chabad morons don't know how to spell tanya
i am not so sure Chabad runs kaluach. rather, they just have a nice breakdown according to many shitos.kt,josh
My comment is a little late, but for those still looking:IMHO, it would appear that Chabad follows a more stringent zman for the end of Shabbos than for Tzeis in general due to the stringency of error with regard to Shabbos, vs Tzeis in general, therefore:Tzeis is 6.5End of Shabbos is 8.5 (erring on the side of caution because of the stringency of Shabbos).This is seemingly a quite commendable approach, showing merit to more than just the accepted source (of 6.5 for tzeis).Why not just make tzeis 8.5?1. Seemingly the indication is, tzeis is 6.5, yet with Issurei D'oraisa (Torah prohibitions) all care is taken to be sure, so the more stringent position is followed anyway. Why not 72min? I guess they (respectfully) ruled that position out-right.2. The beauty of demonstrating both accepting other positions, and special consideration would be lost with no particular gain (as tzeis in general is not treading a fine line of prohibition).It is noteworthy to mention that:Chabad holds by a fast-day (8.5 is recommended, but) 6.5 is acceptable for two reasons:1. Fast-days are Rabbinic enactments and do not infringe on 'Torah' prohibitions.2. Due to Tircha Di'tzibura ('congregational' pain), considering the first reason, allowance is given for those whom fasting is hard, to stop fasting at the accepted time of tzeis, if necessary (again, because Tzeis is accepted to be at 6.5, and specifically for Shabbos is the special circumstance of 8.5 imposed).Please correct any misrepresentations...Thank you.
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